Haiti Election today -- Real or Manufactured?

Interesting Comments below:

goslyYahson

I disagree with the US Ambassador and the UN being in Haiti!!! They are liars and want to take over Haiti which will not happen. They think the Haitian people stupid; if they want Haiti to attack the US, France, and Canada it will happen! They don't know who they fooling with! We just watching for a little while and if they wont leave us alone we will raise HELL!!!!!

ianb1303

Just been up to Petion-ville and the drain cover's still missing. Can somebody go and put one on there please, it's annoying having to swerve round it. Nobody's bothered filling the holes in the road in or moving the rubble and junk cars either. I'm really disappointed in you all: I thought you people wanted to take action. Now get off your butts and fix the f&%king roads!!

sxCoy

Haiti has been hell for the last 185 years

nadoop

@ianb1303 You're ignorant and happy. Why don't you stick to what you actually know?

ianb1303

Anyway, day off work tomorrow; please keep the noise down tonight, I'm exhausted.You can riot if you want, but please remember to vote first, at least once or twice; didn't know Haiti had 200 million registered-voters. And if you must riot could you please pick the rubble up from the roadside and sort of throw it into the holes in the roads for me? Much appreciated, merci beaucoup lol

ianb1303 

I just wish the Americans were interested/involved in clearing and fixing the f&#king roads..After all, it is all their old sh#t trucks, coaches, and tankers that's f#%king the roads up. Can we introduce a basic safety examination for all cars, buses, trucks, motorbikes, and tap-taps please? Then that'll get 90% of the sh#t if the road. Man, that Port Au Prince smog is really f%#king unhealthy...

kwahjuo

America's interest/involvement in Haiti is definitely not honorable, to say the least.

ianb1303

And I'm not being biased, mine is just the view of a complete outsider. It's very easy to be impartial when you have no influence in the matter.....All I want is the damned roads cleaning up and resurfacing please, as soon as possible cause my Toyota is getting destroyed.

Can someone find a drain cover for the southbound stretch of the Petion-ville road? There's one missing and putting branches in the hole isn't really a suitable replacement....

Surely, in a fair state, if whoever is elected invites Aristide back then that is their business; no other country could or should interfere! But I don't believe it would happen anyway, whoever is elected will fear that, should he invite him back, his newly-gained power would be usurped by the returning exile President. Nobody is going to go for "The Top Job" to give it away,even to a national hero....

ShlomoBarak

Rossier is just saying the truth. who is this guy to say that Aristide will stay in exile.

Do we pay our government taxes so they can send people in exile????

Almost all candidates are friends of Aristide or worked with him or promised to bring him back. Yes sure Aristide is the past!!!!!

ianb1303

Ah, I'm getting it now armchair politicians.... Bring back Aristide cause he thumbed his nose at the world and did things his way? So did Hitler, Stalin, Kruschev, Mao Tse-Tung, et al. Let's fetch them all back then, eh? And get the f%#kers to clean the damned rubble and roads up, while we all just sit here pining for "the good old days" instead of doing something about it!! The past is history; put it behind you, move on, and elect a "New Aristide" then. And clean the f#%king roads please!

nadoop

@ianb1303 You're ignorant and happy. Why don't you stick to what you actually know?

ianb1303

Do you know what? I don't care who you elect as long as someone clears the f&#king roads!! Another puncture today; thanks people, $300 more to Toyota dealers. I might as well just pay someone $250 to sweep the f&#king roads; its cheaper than new tires and good for the local economy......

nocrodomus

What I dont understand is what those country had to gain by making Haiti the way it is, I mean they dont have gold, oil or other useful things that these countries can use, so what is the point???.

nadoop

@nocrodomus Umm, you might want to do your research. Haiti is rich in gold and other minerals, and oil was discovered in the country since the 1930s, but this discovery was largely kept secret. As far as gold goes, look up Eurasian Minerals http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=Eurasian+Minerals+ and several other Canadian companies that have been acquired parts of Haiti's mines and have been in the country for a while now.

nocrodomus

@nadoop The same way there is gold and some oil on the D.R and there have been a lot of international mining corporation like the barrick gold on the D.R and still no one have tried to destroy the stability of the country because of that.

nadoop

@nocrodomus That's because the DR is fully compliant, hence the numerous foreign owned resorts / sweatshop factories / CAFTA-DR that the government willingly allowed into the country. This is the neoliberal agenda that the intellegent Haitian people have resisted.

If you notice, the Haitian government before Aristide (Duvalier) and after Aristide (Preval) were and fully compliant as well with the so-called international community as well.


nocrodomus

@nadoop The same way Brazil and China where compliant and now they call the shots in their region?

The same way Central American countries where in bad shape in the 80´s and now they are much better? You need to start from the bottom.

The reason DR is in the CAFTA-DR was because the President of the Dominican Republic fought for that to get in, Central American countries did not want DR on CAFTA. And Americans farmers didn't want CAFTA either.

nadoop

@nocrodomus China is different because it was never fully colonized, but did you know Mexico, too, was considered a regional power once it bowed down to the neo-liberal vultures? Now look at it now? Brazil is heading towards the same direction. Notice the attack on the poor like in Mexico? After 1991, when India sold its soul, all negative press against the country seized. Today, 80 percent of Indians live on about 50 US cents a day. The IMF / World Bank are not friends of sovereignty.

cruzander

@nadoop China is a colonizer, the British in China were merely a footnote. The Han Chinese empire has absorbed dozens of smaller and opposing tribes and some of them continue to live under it's rule.

nadoop

@nocrodomus Feel free to look up: St. Genevieve, Eurasian and Majescor, all Canadian mining companies that have been mining in Haiti.

Search: "Haiti's future glitters with gold." http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=%22Haiti%27s+future+glitters+with+gold.%22

"Haiti Earthquake May Have Exposed Gas, Aiding Economy" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=%22Haiti+Earthquake+May+Have+Exposed+Gas%2c+Aiding+Economy%22

"Grand Bois Gold" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=%22Grand+Bois+Gold%22

"Majescor to Acquire Interest in a Strategic Gold-Copper Property in Haiti" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=%22Majescor+to+Acquire+Interest+in+a+Strategic+Gold-Copper+Property+in+Haiti%22+

"Eurasian Minerals Inc. Acquires 27 Exploration Licenses in Haiti and the Historic Meme Copper-Gold Mine" http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS269US269&q=%22Eurasian+Minerals+Inc.+Acquires+27+Exploration+Licenses+in+Haiti+and+the+Historic+Meme+Copper-Gold+Mine%22

Lemme know if that's enuff.

tsunakaa

That Ambassador Preeg is corrupt .

politika1000

I like this Hyppolite Pierre. He seems fair. We need more Haitian Americans to tell Haiti's history with objectivity.

cruzander

Funny that the Dominican Republic doesn't have these problems.

nadoop

@cruzander It's not funny - it's rather clear. The DR, like Mexico, Brazil, Jamaica, sold their souls to the neoliberal devil, while Independent Haitians continue to resist, and rightly so, as a threat to sovereignty (freedom). The DR is 80 percent tourism and so-called free trade zones (in other words sweatshops for multinational corporations) via CAFTA-DR, which mean if Europeans stop vacationing in the foreign-owned resorts in the DR, the economy would basically collapse.
cruzander

All Caribbean countries are dependent on tourism and imports to support their populations. The idea that Haiti is a threat to anyone under circumstances other than a mass exodus of refugees is silly.

nadoop

@cruzander The notion that all Caribbean countries are dependent on tourism and imports to support their population is ignorantly false. Claiming such is to suggest domestic / localized infrastructure cannot be built to promote economic sovereignty. The Caribbean is targeted by the tourism industry, just as Hawaii is. You should consider staying out of grown folk's business, because you obviously fail to understand the motives behind the brutal and unjust foreign policy towards Haiti.

cruzander

@nadoop It could be built to support a population to a point. But that point has been surpassed due to "Neoliberal" pressures. As it has in most areas of the world where any interruption of massive trade infrastructure will kill people. Maybe you should try and understand my point before pre-supposing that people are ignorant. Such a stance is itself, ignorant.

nadoop

@cruzander Well, sorry, but I find your point to be rather ignorant. That's just how I see it, though. The fact is an influx of foreign owned resorts is not the answer for any country regardless if its Haiti or the United States. Tourism should be secondary for the sake of the well-being of a country. These people tend to work as servants to rich folks from the US, Australia, Canada, and Europe who spend thousands, much of which actually LEAVE the country and goes into the hands of the rich.

cruzander

@nadoop there are 656 people per square mile in Jamaica for example. The idea that this is a self sustaining model is nonsense. An influx of foreign produced goods is necessary for the viability of the nation without massive emigration. The fact that places like that are some of the most beautiful tourist destinations is an asset not a liability.

nadoop

@cruzander What is a self-sustaining model? I'm not sure if I get you. Do you mean how an influx of foreign produced goods from China and India have been good to America? No one is saying fair trade is bad, but this current model that's falsely portrayed as "free trade," is a fraud. I guess you missed it a few months ago when Bill Clinton apologized for forcing Haiti to accept 200,000 tons of US rice into the country, which nearly destroyed the county's rice sector.

cruzander

@nadoop No I'm saying that only so many humans can be supported per square mile of ariable land. The influx of foreign goods in this circumstance is not optional as it was in the United States, which held all the cards in the 50-60's. It is an absolute necessity to prevent massive starvation and death. I do however agree with you that it is in the long term not desirable to flood markets with cheap goods from abroad.

nadoop

@cruzander By the way, feel free to look for a video on youtube: IMF and Jamaica http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=IMF+and+Jamaica&aq=f and see what the IMF has destroyed Jamaica. Please don't let the white sandy beaches fool you. The multitude of social problems in Jamaica have been masked by those beautiful, European-owned white sandy beaches. It's funny because the beautiful white sandy beaches in my home country (Haiti) are never shown in the media.

And while you're at it, check out the crime statistics in the country.

cruzander

@nadoop once again I would point to population density for crime. When you pile people on top of one another, the social contract starts to break down. Many of these things are simply the result of prolonging the measures required to prevent the suffering inevitable in endless expansion of human populations.

nadoop

@cruzander Your population theory is interesting, but the main issue with Jamaica is poverty. A good majority of the crime is committed by the police. The police work for the elite.

cruzander

@nadoop The two are related. Overpopulation creates need creates poverty creates misery/corruption. The bottom line is that relative global wealth is finite. Even if you taxed all the rich people 100% tomorrow and redistributed it to the poor there are only so many humans that we can pile on our rock.

It's just another way of pushing the problem down the road.

nadoop

In countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, you'll see two prominent sectors: tourism and "free trade zones," better known as sweatshop factories and cash crops. These industries tend to push millions of peasants off their lands and into urban areas in search of survival. The foreign owned resorts pay the gov maybe 10 bucks per person and basically takes over the region. Sorry, I am absolutely opposed to this economic model - it's a fraud, not to mention it undermines sovereignty.

The Lavalas movement in Haiti was a threat to the neoliberal agenda, which is why the leader was kidnapped by the US / France / Canada and forced into exile in Africa, and the UN murdered and jailed several of the movement's leaders and killed many of the poor supporters. This current gov, however, is fully compliant with this agenda, and that's why the US has spent millions of dollars to sponsor this fraud of an election today, while excluding "thousands of parties".

Finally, the DR is still a poor country, hence the countless refugees who flee their paradise to go work as slaves in Puerto Rico and Cuba. You might want to research "Dominican boatpeople" to see the folks who are fleeing the DR, including some who resorted to eating their fellow companions to survive after being stuck at sea.

ianb1303

Aristide couldn't get home anyway; too much rubble and broken-down cars blocking the road!! Clean them all up and he might want to come home. Condoleezza Rice (let's at least spell her name right!) "threatening"? Yeah, about as threatening as Kermit the Frog! How Jamaica must have trembled when the US President sent his Office Cleaner there....

allianceFiLifeDotCom

Aristede agreed to go into exile, what a big fat lie. He was "kidnapped by the US Government" and forced out of the country. Jamaica tried to bring him closer to home and they send Condelizza Rice to threaten them...so now the man is in South Africa

ianb1303

@allianceFiLifeDotCom Hey, I agree with your viewpoint; the USA is the biggest threat to World Peace. I like the Americans even less than I like the French. Been searching for evidence of UN "atrocities" though; not found any evidence yet; but again, I'm not going to dispute your viewpoint on that. I like Haiti; f&#k what the rest of the world thinks!

evildevinity

@ianb1303 if you want evidence just go to the world court website and look at the open cases.

ianb1303

Okay, folks so the bottom line is; Nobody can explain how the UN is "an occupation force", Nobody can explain how rioting will make things better, Nobody can decide how to make the country a better place, and Nobody is going to clean the roads and rubble up. Fat lot of use you lot are then!! Go and become politicians and then you can get paid to talk about how it's all somebody elses fault; won't make any difference but at least you'll get paid for it! Or get off your butts and fix it! It's up to you!

nadoop

@ianb1303 The UN has been in Haiti since 2004 as an occupying force. The US serves as a proxy oppressor / occupier for the US, who basically runs the UN via the security council. The UN has repressed popular uprising in the country by way of murder, rape, and pillage. You're simply ignorant of the geo-political relationship between Haiti and foreign powers, and the mendacious media is promoting the UN as some goodwill org, when its nothing but a brutal and oppressive regime.

ianb1303

P.S. If you must riot over a proxy election can you please do it quietly? I'd like to get some sleep on Sunday before picking my way through the rubble and burning tires to get to work. Please have some consideration for your visitors....

nadoop

@ianb1303 Haitians have been peacefully demonstrating since 2004 against the UN and other foreign powers that kidnapped their highly revered President and forced him into exile. These demonstrators have been fired upon by the UN, while many of them have been murdered. In other words, they've made peaceful revolution impossible, so now violent revolution is inevitable. I seriously suggest you learn the facts before attempting to formulate an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about.

ianb1303

Yes, but it really is a beautiful mess. Take some time out, stand back, and just look. Ignore the dirt, the dust, the concrete jungle. Look around you and then think "How can I make this better?". I'll tell you now, the politicians won't, so think "I, not they". There's a big fat clue!! Oh yeah, and clean the f&#king roads up please, I got a puncture yesterday on some old f&#king rebar; cost me $300 for a new tire!

Leonnidik

This place is a historical mess, not just after the earthquake.

nadoop

@Leonnidik Yes, thanks to the US / Canada / France / UN / IMF / EU / World Bank / IAD Bank / NGO poverty pimps. If only you knew the crimes of committed by your government against the Haitian people, made possible by YOUR TAX DOLLARS.